tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post6591728268438334286..comments2024-03-28T16:08:29.578-04:00Comments on Sardonicky: Love With the Proper StalkerKaren Garciahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15612731479365562803noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-69724247681458519962014-01-19T09:33:27.859-05:002014-01-19T09:33:27.859-05:00Here's a petition asking Brazil to give Snowde...Here's a petition asking Brazil to give Snowden asylum. So far, about 785,000 signatures. The goal: 1 million.<br />https://secure.avaaz.org/en/send_snowden_home_loc/?adaeLgbJay–Ottawahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10360356126450612113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-87704770091094503762014-01-18T21:09:47.734-05:002014-01-18T21:09:47.734-05:00I forgot to address @Pearl at the top of my previo...I forgot to address @Pearl at the top of my previous comment. Of course, I realize all of you aren't people of a certain age.<br /><br />@James<br />If you keep it up we're both going to be sent to the corner.Jay–Ottawahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10360356126450612113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-65051506511510196142014-01-18T18:27:46.849-05:002014-01-18T18:27:46.849-05:00Reading Garcia, Greenwald and Hedges, one is schoo...Reading Garcia, Greenwald and Hedges, one is schooled in a deep sense of what is politically unjust topped with their special confection of mockery, anger or despair, depending on the teacher. They are impatient with lies. Although well read, they don’t intellectualize issues as a remedy against injustice. Justice impels them into open mockery of the hypocrites, anger towards the collaborators and despair over the millions who remain tepid or stuck in neutral and waiting for someone else to take a stand.<br /><br />One special quality, common to all three, pulls us back to their essays time and again: an underlying sense of compassion for oppressed and broken people. Their compassion is not the compassion of holy cards or the politically correct. In an unsentimental and non-patronizing way they identify with the unfortunate, which explains why they revel in comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable. (Could that be a reason why we “justified” readers feel uneasy after putting down their essays?)<br /><br />Like you, I am too old to bolster in any forceful way whatever organized resistance there is. But I can at least cultivate my sense of compassion. This is only to say that I appreciate in your comments always that underlying sense of identification with the oppressed and broken people –– which is the definition of compassion.Jay–Ottawahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10360356126450612113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-34897137249650789032014-01-18T17:33:55.740-05:002014-01-18T17:33:55.740-05:00@annenigma--
Both articles were extremely interes...@annenigma--<br /><br />Both articles were extremely interesting <i> and </i> well-documented thanks to the Denver Gazette's FOIA findings and information received from Eric Thomas's lawyer, who previously worked for the OSI himself, and may have even have had some inside knowledge of what OSI was up to.<br /><br />Which makes the article's findings all the more terrifying. It seems that "they" really are everywhere now.<br /><br />Whom to trust, and how far to go in protest?Zeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-11987793092054277152014-01-18T16:57:29.637-05:002014-01-18T16:57:29.637-05:00Jeez, Karen, I was hoping you'd bawl Zee out a...Jeez, Karen, I was hoping you'd bawl Zee out and make him go sit in a cornerJames F Traynornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-1411752472782106522014-01-18T15:41:44.376-05:002014-01-18T15:41:44.376-05:00Correction - The article I referred to that expose...Correction - The article I referred to that exposes the spy program at the Air Force Academy should have been this more thorough and interesting one. It looks like an award winning piece of journalism to me.<br /><br />http://www3.gazette.com/projects/project/usafa-informant-program/annenigmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-1759070977363188892014-01-18T14:41:39.215-05:002014-01-18T14:41:39.215-05:00@Zee
Oh, boy, you've got me started when you ...@Zee<br /><br />Oh, boy, you've got me started when you mentioned prosecuting petty crimes. Do you realize they actually prosecute very few? Nowadays they usually just overcharge them with crimes, threatening them with decades in prison, and scare them into a plea agreement and mark it as a win in on the prosecution scoreboard - Or they make other 'arrangements' depending on their value and talents. First they have to scare them into submission though, and hopefully they won't push some young sensitive genius into committing suicide first (RIP Aaron Swartz). <br /><br />The FBI and other agencies have long had a history of recruiting informants through that route. That's how the government gets some of the very best hackers to work for them. <br /><br />Minorities are usually the victim of this system, but they'll pluck up anyone who has unique value to them. I wouldn't go so far as to say they set up people for arrest JUST for the talents they could exploit, but we know they look for and catch vulnerables in their phony terror plots. <br /><br />I'm sure they've busted plenty of promising young students who they proceed to use as campus or community informants, I mean community organizers and activists. And young college instructors who are in a perfect position to monitor campus or community subversives or radical clerics. They need people like that to monitor 'situational awareness' of domestic unrest, or the less likely terrorist plot. <br /><br />Currently there is a scandal going on at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. They have been using FBI tactics to recruit and run undercover informants, allegedly to investigate sexual assaults and other misconduct. It has been going on for years but only recently came to light when they left a young black cadet twisting in the wind. <br /><br />I believe this is how the whole military-industrial surveillance complex operates - routinely using covert operatives in nearly all settings where they can insert themselves. And let's not forget their interference with elections for decades - abroad I mean.<br /><br />Here's the expose about the recent informant scandal at the Air Force Academy. I doubt it's an anomaly. <br /><br />http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24635629/honor-deception-amid-air-forces-cadet-spy-systemannenigmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-46635387141890187362014-01-18T13:53:35.710-05:002014-01-18T13:53:35.710-05:00@All,
As you are no doubt aware by now, I am not ...@All,<br /><br />As you are no doubt aware by now, I am not a stickler for keeping to the so-called topic in this comments section. I only draw the line at ad hominem attacks, spam, ads, and obvious plugs and other means of commercial self-promotion.<br /><br />If people want to discuss Ike, that's fine with me. In my post on Emma and Bill, my mention in passing of therapy dogs inspired several great comments on animals. Go for it!Karen Garciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15612731479365562803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-32283950267021458752014-01-18T13:46:57.686-05:002014-01-18T13:46:57.686-05:00Jay: Along with your truthful analysis of the stat...<br />Jay: Along with your truthful analysis of the status quo, you mentioned access to Greenwald's article in the Guardian which ended with the following <br />statement:<br /><br />"The causes that drove Obama to give this speech need to be, and will be, <br />stoked and nurtured further until it becomes clear to official Washington <br />that, this time around, cosmetic gestures are plainly inadequate."<br /><br />I am not going to hold my breath waiting for official Washington to wake up. Once more, the people, the voters have to wake up and organize to fight a 'lesser evil" of any kind masquerading as a way out. I think that it might have been better for Romney to win the election since there was real organized hate for him from the so called liberal thinkers and I believe his attempts to move the country further right would have dragged others along to denounce him.<br /><br />How Obama is viewed when gone from office depends on how deep the U.S. Ship of State is sinking and how frightened the younger generations really are. <br />It is interesting that the attitudes of the younger Jews in America in <br />recent years have turned against the policies of Israel which is something I <br />never thought would happen. The various excellent Jewish Peace groups are boycotting and speaking out clearly about the transgressions past and current of that country which I also never expected to see.<br />And many articles about Sharon's recent death by leading Jews, have reminded us of his bloody history.<br /><br />The main criticism of Obama will be I believe, that when the country was <br />faced with real danger from abroad and at home, he played his violin while the country was burning in the background (there was a recent excellent painting of this with an article in the paper recently). Although I and many of you will not be around to see the final outcome of the current dangerous political/social situation, I believe that there are certain realities that will no longer be able to be ignored, such as the accelerating deterioration of our environment, real financial bankruptcy of the capitalist system by the power brokers, serious health problems attacking the population without <br />adequate medical forces in place, and chaos and crises abroad affecting <br />everyone. I am sorry to be so stark but the negative effects of decades of neglect and greed by chosen leaders and Congressional representatives are already in place.<br /><br />So I leave it to our progeny to organize the population for real change and all we can do is to continue to write our comments and warnings, and keep our fingers and eyes crossed. Meanwhile, try and enjoy what is still available, such as the beauty of nature, the love of friends and family and the feeling that we have done everything we could to speak truth to power and pray for more Snowdens to come forth.<br /><br />I am grateful to be on this difficult journey of life with Karen and her <br />supporters and all the people who write of their hardships and caring in the newspaper column comments. The bravery and courage of so many unsung human beings inspires me to hang in there and I remember many truly terrible events of the past that were faced with strength and honesty and compassion by others. I think it will continue and only hope the planet holds up meanwhile. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Pearlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-17087193413930679212014-01-18T13:31:55.718-05:002014-01-18T13:31:55.718-05:00NSA fatalism, continued
But if you want me to con...NSA fatalism, continued<br /><br />But if you want me to contribute further dismal thoughts on what may well be the futility of it all, consider <i> this </i> article:<br /><br />http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/12/former-top-nsa-official-now-police-state.html<br /><br /><i> “Bill Binney is the high-level NSA executive who </i> created <i> the agency’s mass surveillance program for digital information. A 32-year NSA veteran widely regarded as a “legend” within the agency, Binney was the senior technical director within the agency and managed thousands of NSA employees.” </i><br /><br />According to Binney—who should know—the police state is here. And its tentacles now reach right down to our local law enforcement agencies:<br /><br /><i> “ ...today, Binney told Washington’s Blog that the U.S. has already become a police state.<br /><br />By way of background, the government is spying on virtually everything we do.<br /><br />All of the information gained by the NSA through spying is then shared with federal, state and local agencies, and they are using that information to prosecute petty crimes such as drugs and taxes. The agencies are instructed to intentionally 'launder' the information gained through spying, i.e. to pretend that they got the information in a more legitimate way … and to hide that from defense attorneys and judges.<br /><br />This is a bigger deal than you may realize, as legal experts say that there are so many federal and state laws in the United States, that no one can keep track of them all … and everyone violates laws every day without even knowing it.<br /><br />The NSA also ships Americans’ most confidential, sensitive information to foreign countries like Israel (and here), the UK and other countries … so they can “unmask” the information and give it back to the NSA … or use it for their own purposes.”<br /> </i> <br /><br />My perception is that we are doomed unless something much bigger than street protests take place. But that's just me, today.. Tomorrow might be different.<br /><br />In a previous comment, James wondered aloud why Ike and Smedley Butler waited until they were at the end of their lives before they spilled the beans as to what was <i> really </i> going on. As I suggested, perhaps they didn't know what was going on until they looked back and wove all the threads together in hindsight.<br /><br />One might also ask why Bill Binney waited 32 years before telling the nation <i> his </i> story about NSA. Perhaps, like many of us, he was too scared to do so, had too much to lose until he neared the end of his life, or, again only understood what he had done in hindsight, too.<br /><br />Too little, too late, perhaps.Zeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-33726956371098286492014-01-18T13:27:27.326-05:002014-01-18T13:27:27.326-05:00@Jay--
It's true that I often stray from the ...@Jay--<br /><br />It's true that I often stray from the immediate topic, but when I do, I <i> think </i> that I'm often picking up on <i> something </i> that Karen mentioned in her main post that piqued my interest. It seems to me that if she bothers to mention something—in this case, Eisenhower's Farewell Address to the Nation—it is likely she felt it to be relevant in some way to <i> her </i> pespective on the <i> topic du jour </i>—in this case, perhaps true irony—and therefore, fair game for some thought and discussion.<br /><br />Still, it is Karen's blog. If she asks me to cut it out—either here or offline—I will do so.<br /><br />I spend at least some of my spare time thinking and learning about our surveillance, and I'm terrified by what I see. But the fact is, I'm also pretty well resigned to the likelihood that we have passed the point of no return, just as we may have done on so many other issues that may well, collectively, consign this nation to the ash-heap of history.<br /><br />Karen's essay seems pretty fatalistic to me, though perhaps I am wrong in reading it that way. Greenwald, in the article for which you provided the link, seems even <i> more </i> resigned to the fact that nothing Obama said—or anything that anyone is likely to <i> do </i> in the near future—will slow or reverse the surveillance state that we have allowed to be created.<br /><br /><i> “That, in general, has long been Obama's primary role in our political system and his premiere, defining value to the permanent power factions that run Washington. He prettifies the ugly; he drapes the banner of change over systematic status quo perpetuation; he makes Americans feel better about policies they find repellent without the need to change any of them in meaningful ways. He's not an agent of change but the soothing branding packaging for it.<br /><br />As is always the case, <b> those who want genuine changes should not look to politicians, </b> and certainly not to Barack Obama, to wait for it to be gifted. Obama was forced to give this speech by rising public pressure, increasingly scared US tech giants, and surprisingly strong resistance from the international community to the out-of-control American surveillance state.” </i> --Glenn Greenwald (My bold emphasis.) <br /><br />As I think I have said before, I don't see any <i> real </i> change occuring in this country until something drastic—perhaps beyond imagination—happens in this country to force it to change. Most American citizens are oblivious to the threat that the surveillance state poses to their freedom. Many even believe the surveillance state is essential to their future safety. No one seems motivated to do anything anything more than write letters and e-mails of protest to our worthless politicians, who respond with neutral pabulum, too afraid or too unconcerned themselves to actually do something. I'm certainly not motivated—yet--to take to the streets in protest. <br /><br />Some citizens are even too afraid to talk amongst themselves about the creeping surveillance state: reports of writers and activists self-censoring their various communications have already been discussed in this forum. Perhaps they're not in the streets protesting for the same reasons that I'm not.<br />They've got a life to get through, somehow, and they're not yet ready to risk all.<br /><br />Perhaps I'm just in a fatalistic mood at the moment, but I didn't see any way to further contribute to the main topic of Karen's essay. Instead, I fixated on the mention of the Eisenhower speech, and wondered how we got to the state that we're in, especially with Ike's clear warning at the end of his administration.<br /><br />To be continued...Zeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-65033398151079917142014-01-18T13:00:16.289-05:002014-01-18T13:00:16.289-05:00"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful..."Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."<br /><br />Margaret Mead<br />annenigmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-63789233440920544272014-01-18T12:29:29.421-05:002014-01-18T12:29:29.421-05:00Sorry, the first sentence of the second quoted par...Sorry, the first sentence of the second quoted paragraph "...should not look to politicians..." got accidentally cut. It should read: <br /><br />"As is always the case, those who want genuine changes should not look to politicians, and certainly not to Barack Obama, to wait for it to be gifted."<br /><br />Mea culpa.James F Traynornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-5629838571655323352014-01-18T12:18:47.850-05:002014-01-18T12:18:47.850-05:00From: The Guardian - Greenwald, summing up Obama ...From: The Guardian - Greenwald, summing up Obama and the latest of his NSA bullshit. Thanks to Jay for reefing it. <br /><br />"That, in general, has long been Obama's primary role in our political system and his premiere, defining value to the permanent power factions that run Washington. He prettifies the ugly; he drapes the banner of change over systematic status quo perpetuation; he makes Americans feel better about policies they find repellent without the need to change any of them in meaningful ways. He's not an agent of change but the soothing branding packaging for it.<br /><br />As is always the case, those who want genuine changes , and certainly not to Barack Obama, to wait for it to be gifted. Obama was forced to give this speech by rising public pressure, increasingly scared US tech giants, and surprisingly strong resistance from the international community to the out-of-control American surveillance state."<br /><br />Greenwald did not say where we should look for change if we " ...should not look to politicians...".<br />That is our dilemma. The 'lesser of two evils' choice can no longer be tolerated. I, personally, will no longer do so. But what?James F Traynornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-52479564727941326742014-01-18T11:49:54.795-05:002014-01-18T11:49:54.795-05:00Curious how often Karen’s talk du jour so often pi...Curious how often Karen’s talk du jour so often pivots, at great length, from her topical essay to yet another episode in the saga of Thinking Conservatives going back to Eisenhower, to Edmund Burke, to Socrates.<br /><br />Meanwhile, Obama is methodically normalizing an expansion of the National Security State. The Great American democracy, if not applauding too much, is for the most part accepting Obama’s profound changes to the Constitution. Or The People are dithering with the usual distractions. Or once again mounting a favorite hobby horse for a long, long, really long ride in some irrelevant race to nowhere. Like dusting off the old debate about whether Ike, a half century ago, was a whimp or a profound, pragmatic and prescient thinking conservative.<br /><br />IT’S THE NSA!, Thinking Conservatives.<br /><br />As for the mainline press, predictably they’ve done it again, most of them dishing out praise or pablum after Obama directs another torpedo at the Fourth Amendment. <br /><br />Here’s a nice link to add to one’s to-do reading list and one of the relatively few journalistic pieces, like Karen’s, worthy of a serious look. Not even Greenwald, otherwise sidelined until Omidyar’s NewCo takes off, can contain himself. So here is Greenwald back in his old chair at the Guardian –– on topic.<br />http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/17/obama-nsa-reforms-bulk-surveillance-remainsJay–Ottawahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10360356126450612113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-85135204293693173682014-01-18T10:04:37.996-05:002014-01-18T10:04:37.996-05:00Obama has done less damage than I am sure Romney w...Obama has done less damage than I am sure Romney would have done. We can philosophize about the 'lesser of two evils' for years on end, but the fact is Obama very probably is the lesser of two evils when compared to Romney. It's a 'Pit and the Pendulum' problem and the choice is real, with real consequences. <br /><br /><br />As was Eisenhower. He was the best military administrator available for handling such disparate characters as Patton, Montgomery, DeGaulle , etc. Somehow he managed to herd those cats and manage to successfully conduct the war in western Europe. And annenigma is right, he also gave us a great talking point and acronym, MIC, but...and it's one hell of a big 'but'.James F Traynornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-6541145284804083482014-01-18T09:07:50.687-05:002014-01-18T09:07:50.687-05:00If Eisenhower had NOT spoken those words about the...If Eisenhower had NOT spoken those words about the Military-Industrial Complex, we would not have a valuable term for describing and debating the ill effects of that force that we are facing today - and exactly what he was warning us about. That is worthy of appreciation and recognition. <br /><br />"The world will little note nor long remember" a single word from the Obama's presidency, but it will remember his illegal and/or unconstitutional deeds. The Lesser of Two Evils is still evil.annenigmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-35327694444658297882014-01-18T01:12:03.512-05:002014-01-18T01:12:03.512-05:00Re Eisenhower.
Guatemala and Iran were only the m...Re Eisenhower.<br /><br />Guatemala and Iran were only the most blatant of the undermining of all democratic movements throughout the world.<br />Dulles was a monster....<br />Nixon 2x v president<br />Total public silence on McCarthy <br />He opposed integration. He did send troops to Little Rock...all the black soldiers were left home! <br />If Obama had encouraged a revolt comparable to Hungary 1956 and then let them twist in the wind, there would be calls for impeachment.<br />Eisenhower never took the lead on any social or political justice issue. Truman integrating the Armed forces is an act of courage. No such moments from Eisenhower, (Feiffer's portrait of him in the Village Voice was devastating...in one he said, "i condemn the extremists on both sides, those who bomb the schools and those who want to keep them open.")<br /><br />He was always mute on major moral and social justice issues. It is very much in character that he never took a single strong step against the MIC...just spoke about it on the way out.<br /><br />Finally, I would not take any conclusion in Wiki as a worthy source of authority in these pages!!!D12345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-35762240827475206692014-01-17T23:45:07.469-05:002014-01-17T23:45:07.469-05:00Guatemala and Ike.Guatemala and Ike.James F Traynornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-86063447008056164252014-01-17T22:09:06.911-05:002014-01-17T22:09:06.911-05:00It is, of course, just my humble opinion, but I th...It is, of course, just my humble opinion, but I think that Ike assumed power at a time when both the world and the United States were changing dramatically.<br /><br />I think that it's just a teeny bit unfair to assume that even a man of Eisenhower's vast experience fully understood what he was getting into, what with a Federal government that was growing by leaps and bounds. <br /><br />(I'll give that much even to Barack Obama, who--as has been pointed out repeatedly--never managed as much as a lemonade stand. He had NO idea!)<br /><br />The difference, IMHO, is that Eisenhower had the <i> experience </i> to play the hand he was dealt reasonably well, unlike You-Know-Who.<br /><br />I was ten years old when Eisenhower gave his Farewell Address, so I have no first-hand knowledge of his administration. <br /><br />Still, the Wikipedia article paints his governance as pretty positive, with, of course, some pronounced failures such as authorizing the <i> coup </i> that restored the Shah of Iran to power.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<br />Dwight_D._Eisenhower<br /><br />So, again IMHO, I think that his Farewell Address to the Nation was more a warning based on eight years of harsh experience than a speech that he could have readily given as an Inaugural Address.<br /><br />I can't speak to Smedley Butler, whose pamphlet, "War is a Racket," is still on my "to-be-read" bookshelf.Zeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-65170727852263232122014-01-17T20:43:13.046-05:002014-01-17T20:43:13.046-05:00The big bitch I had with Smedley Butler was,
So n...The big bitch I had with Smedley Butler was, <br />So now you tell us? The same with good old Ike. As he was getting off the boat he told us we were heading for an iceberg. After he steered us that way for a price - his career in the military and double dipping in politics. As Reagan advised another actor, (I think it was William Holden) politics is a great alternative for our profession. And, it appears, for generals.James F Traynornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-40172869819528186022014-01-17T18:59:43.268-05:002014-01-17T18:59:43.268-05:00Footnote: It may be inaccurate to say that Eisenho...Footnote: It may be inaccurate to say that Eisenhower "let" the Dulles family run wild. Why assume that he was not an active advocate for the crimes of Imperial US?D12345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-59309375042504779812014-01-17T18:46:17.806-05:002014-01-17T18:46:17.806-05:00For years, people have rhapsodized about Eisenhowe...For years, people have rhapsodized about Eisenhower's farewell address.<br />That was given as he left the world stage, without any power, no responsibility to implement anything.<br />Why wasn't that his first inaugural address???<br />I remember the Eisenhower who was afraid to confront McCarthy, who was pathetic during the Little Rock school riots, who let the Dulles brothers run wild, overthrowing democratic government in Guatemala among other escapades. <br />I think the current president is evidence that a speech without implementation is hollow.<br /><br />D12345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-70516159358207922802014-01-17T18:28:00.602-05:002014-01-17T18:28:00.602-05:00This is one of my favorite quotes from anyone.
&q...This is one of my favorite quotes from anyone.<br /><br />"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."<br /><br />Dwight D. Eisenhower, From a speech before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 16, 1953<br /> annenigmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-18235398359310016912014-01-17T18:22:21.533-05:002014-01-17T18:22:21.533-05:00Oops! Wrong link for Ike's speech!
http://mca...Oops! Wrong link for Ike's speech!<br /><br />http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm<br /><br />Sorry, I don't know how that happened.Zeenoreply@blogger.com