tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post5669302498110984796..comments2024-03-27T18:00:02.032-04:00Comments on Sardonicky: Memorial Day MoralizingKaren Garciahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15612731479365562803noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-7181833984351042932012-05-29T07:21:10.925-04:002012-05-29T07:21:10.925-04:00Why has the US peace movement collapsed under Oba...Why has the US peace movement collapsed under Obama?<br /><br />Chris Woods interviews Medea Benjamin, co-founder of the US women-led peace movement Code Pink:<br /><br />http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/05/24/the-uphill-fight-against-obamas-drones-an-interview-with-code-pinks-medea-benjamin/Denis Nevillenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-27641864155968442262012-05-29T06:57:32.485-04:002012-05-29T06:57:32.485-04:00@ Pearl re: Irwin Shaw’s "Bury the Dead”
I ...@ Pearl re: Irwin Shaw’s "Bury the Dead”<br /><br />I had not heard of this play by Shaw. I was only aware of his novel The Young Lions, which I read many years ago.<br /><br />Now, reading about Bury the Dead, (a general who just wants the dead soldiers to march into their graves sputters, "Wars can only be fought and won when the dead are buried and forgotten."), I am struck by just how relevant it is today (some 76 years later). Young people's dashed hopes and dreams (“There are too many books I haven’t read, too many places I haven’t seen, too many memories I haven’t kept long enough”) in the endless stupidity of war.<br /><br />It should be brought to the stage again. It has in some places in the last decade, but not nearly enough.<br /><br />There was a sermon in The Young Lions, given by an old pastor in the ruined church at Dover. Shaw in a 1953 interview said, “I tried to have that old man say what my only belief is about war—not to be proud of the thousands of bombers you send against the enemy and their cities, of the blind, indiscriminate, million-quality of your killing, no matter how necessary you may think it is. And when a soldier kills another soldier, he must kill with a sense of sin and tragedy. The sin is as much the soldier’s as it is of the enemy he kills by his hand, and that is the way a soldier loves his enemy, moved by a curious sense of sin that belongs to them both. That’s probably the fundamental thing I tried to say in the novel.”<br /><br />http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/5157/the-art-of-fiction-no-4-irwin-shawDenis Nevillenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-80890874590455845722012-05-29T01:50:32.702-04:002012-05-29T01:50:32.702-04:00Every year on Bloomsday in Syracuse, NY, the James...Every year on Bloomsday in Syracuse, NY, the James Joyce Club reads and, for some passages, acts out “Ulysses” nonstop in a public venue. People drop in for a while, sip a beer -- yes, that kind of venue -- and move on. The much anticipated “yes!yes!yes!” passage usually draws the biggest crowd. Scandalous, but the celebration does get covered by the local press and bestows yet another year of life to modernism.<br /><br />What if communities around the country did something comparable next Memorial Day? Not with Joyce, of course, but along Pearl’s line of thinking. What’s to stop a peace group from holding a public reading of Irwin Shaw’s “Bury the Dead”? As far as I can tell from a quick google, the play is not forgotten or irrelevant and was last performed on a big stage within days after Obama was elected president. The performance (Shaw’s, that is) was reviewed in the NY Times.<br /><br />Next year, over the Memorial Day weekend, would the maintenance of civic order or the terms of the NDAA rule out marathon public readings of famous antiwar novels, short stories and poetry? By OWS groups or any other pick-up team of readers? Imagine the effect of veterans in uniform proclaiming the lines of Siegfried Sassoon. <br /><br />And would you attend?<br /><br />Such readings might inspire more reflection and meaningful conversation among the citizenry than bloviating politicians followed by the sinking notes of “Taps.” If only, if only, if only some day such readings for Memorial Day could replace the hoopla that is now one more excuse to salute Mars and groom the public for more war, more war, more war.Jay–Ottawahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10360356126450612113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-81508932825570603692012-05-28T17:37:26.430-04:002012-05-28T17:37:26.430-04:00We should revive the play written in l936 by Irwin...We should revive the play written in l936 by Irwin Shaw, "Bury the Dead". It is about 6 soldiers who refuse to be buried after being killed in a war and talk about what they feel and question what has happened. This riveting play is as pertinent today as it was those many years ago (before WW 2). I saw it as a child and never forgot the impact it made on me. It should be brought to<br />the stage again by some acting groups.Pearlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-50573744809064454152012-05-28T15:21:53.952-04:002012-05-28T15:21:53.952-04:00@ Anne Lavoie – re: “Noble Peace Prize my ass!”
O...@ Anne Lavoie – re: “Noble Peace Prize my ass!”<br /><br />Obama today:<br /><br />"As commander in chief, I can tell you that sending our troops into harm's way is the most wrenching decision that I have to make. I can promise you I will never do so unless it is absolutely necessary…”<br /><br />He’ll use drones instead… yet another drone strike in Pakistan today, the fourth strike in six days.<br /><br />http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2012/05/us_drones_kill_5_in.php<br /><br />Yet another Afghan family (and a bakery in Pakistan) is extinguished by an airstrike: unleash the justifications<br /><br />http://www.salon.com/2012/05/27/the_authoritarian_mind_2/singleton/<br /><br />Pakistan’s beatings will continue until their morale improves, i.e., they open that damn road and release that fake CIA vaccination doctor. <br /><br />Glenn Greenwald, “American rage at Pakistan over the punishment of a CIA-cooperating Pakistani doctor is quite revealing”<br /><br />http://www.salon.com/2012/05/26/the_imperial_mind/singleton/ <br /><br />Obama continues:<br /><br />“and that when we do, we must give our troops a clear mission and the full support of a grateful nation.”<br /><br />Cheap grace!<br /><br />“Tommy” by Rudyard Kipling<br /><br />“You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all: We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational. Don’t mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face The Widow’s Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace. For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!” But it’s “Saviour of ‘is country” when the guns begin to shoot; An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please; An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool — you bet that Tommy sees!”<br /> <br />Let’s all go grill something.Denis Nevillenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-50523564585897307152012-05-28T09:42:31.264-04:002012-05-28T09:42:31.264-04:00I am nauseated every time I hear Obama bragging ab...I am nauseated every time I hear Obama bragging about the burden he bears from having to autograph form letters to the dead soldiers' survivors as their consolation prize for sacrificing their beloved for his idiotic, futile wars. He should be filled with crippling shame for the tragically endless suffering he is causing countless families here and abroad. Noble Peace Prize my ass!Anne Lavoienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-27285361430923829322012-05-28T01:28:24.080-04:002012-05-28T01:28:24.080-04:00Thanks, Neil for your comment. I can't help bu...Thanks, Neil for your comment. I can't help but compare in my mind the fact that protesters in New York who actually HAVE a good reason for protesting are harrassed and bullied by the police but Phelps and his ilk are allowed to go on their merry way. Where were the police then? Why weren't they giving the Phelps protesters a hard time?<br /><br />You know, I always grew up respecting the police - we used to wave to the police officers in their police cars as children - but I am slowly but steadily changing my mind.Valerienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-18343191179668879752012-05-27T19:21:37.608-04:002012-05-27T19:21:37.608-04:00Thanks Karen for reminding us that many who went t...Thanks Karen for reminding us that many who went to ‘Nam were teenagers. <br /><br />@4Runner, re they were not all "heroes"<br /><br />Not everyone served with good intentions either, some had dark motives. Years ago while speaking about the draft with a colleague who was a Vietnam vet, he described his voluntary enlistment as an angry teenager. "Bobby" was looking forward to getting a gun and killing people, he said. Bobby was angry, he said, because his mother had a reputation as the "town whore". When I knew him, Bobby appeared as a normal looking, middle-age white guy, although he had an addiction to cocaine. <br /><br />The services are recognizing the psychological aspects of war more openly than in the past. The Marine Corps has a website for DSTRESS Line, "developed by the Corps to provide professional, anonymous counseling for Marines, attached Sailors, and families when it's needed most."<br /><br />http://www.dstressline.com/<br /><br />Also, the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, National Center for PTSD<br /><br />http://www.ptsd.va.gov/index.aspNeil Gillespiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12580744990628852454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-51713239001308102552012-05-27T18:37:45.547-04:002012-05-27T18:37:45.547-04:00@Roger
Karen is merely drawing attention to the h...@Roger<br /><br />Karen is merely drawing attention to the hypocrisy of Obama's weekly radio address.<br /><br />Keep in mind what our U.S. Supreme Court did last year in Snyder v. Phelps that allowed hate speech at the funerals of our soldiers. Phelps and his church routinely picketed the funerals of American soldiers killed in the line of duty. Phelps extreme ideology contends that that the soldiers died because god is angry at America for its sinful ways, such as homosexuality. <br /><br />Phelps and his church protested the funeral of Matthew Snyder, a Marine who died in the Iraq War, and his father, Albert Snyder, sued Phelps. From Wikipedia <br /><br />"Snyder v. Phelps, 562 U.S. ___ (2011), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that Speech on a public sidewalk, about a public issue, cannot be liable for a tort of emotional distress, even if the speech is found to be "outrageous"."<br /><br />"At issue was whether the First Amendment protected protests of public protestors at a funeral against tort liability. It involved a claim of intentional infliction of emotional distress made by Albert Snyder, the father of Matthew Snyder, a Marine who died in the Iraq War. The claim was made against the Phelps family, including Fred Phelps, and against Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church (WBC). The Court ruled in favor of Phelps in an 8–1 decision, holding that their speech related to a public issue, and was disseminated on a public sidewalk." <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snyder_v._Phelps<br /><br />Justice Samuel Alito (who served as a Captain in the reserves), was the lone dissenting justice in this case, beginning his dissent with, "Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case." He concluded his dissent, "In order to have a society in which public issues can be openly and vigorously debated, it is not necessary to allow the brutalization of innocent victims like petitioner."<br /><br />Fred Phelps is a disbarred lawyer and pastor of the Westboro Baptist Church. Phelps has 13 children, 11 of whom are lawyers, and this is how several of them make a living. <br /><br />http://www.nndb.com/people/908/000025833/<br /><br />Funny how hate speech is protected at a soldier’s funeral, but Obama signed a bill that would ban Occupy protests on federal property. From Slate: "H.R. 347, benignly titled the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act, passed the House 399-3."<br /><br />http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2012/03/the_anti_protest_bill_signed_by_barack_obama_is_a_quiet_attack_on_free_speech_.html<br /><br />"This bill was enacted after being signed by the President on March 8, 2012."<br /><br />http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr347<br /><br />As James F Traynor said..."It's all such sad bullshit."Neil Gillespiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12580744990628852454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-82580948180359007602012-05-27T10:01:20.012-04:002012-05-27T10:01:20.012-04:00Karen's essay aches for the soldiers and the o...Karen's essay aches for the soldiers and the other victims of our senseless wars. As for Obama's speech, who can improve on James' one-word epithet?<br /><br />How smoothly our golden-throated orator in the White House recites the clichés of remembrance. So that we may better forget. So that we may value our aggressions as noble deeds. So that anyone who needs it may receive absolution for the silent support of militarism. So that broken soldiers may receive an abundance of good wishes to support them through the rest of their lives. So that we may never question the unassailable tax of war. So that we may get back to festive hot dogs with the works and wash away any lingering trace of blame with another dip in the pool. Hoorah for civic religion and cheap grace.Jay–Ottawahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10360356126450612113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-56278952534887383822012-05-27T04:39:57.952-04:002012-05-27T04:39:57.952-04:00Lovely comment,@ Pearl!
And @Roger, if fake plati...Lovely comment,@ Pearl!<br /><br />And @Roger, if fake platitudes from politicians who NEVER dreamed of soldiering I am sure they feel they had better things to do) - who are just fine sending someone else's sons and daughters to die and be mutilated or psychologically scarred for life - all so that oil companies and the military contract corporations can get rich and every day Americans can remain addicted to oil - If these platitudes make you feel better and are so important to you - then you are easily bought. And that is tragic considering the REAL price so many young people have paid in the name of patriotism. <br /><br />True patriots –like Andrew Bacevitch and others who comment on this blog – especially Karen – hate that fake patriotism is being used to manipulate our population into an indefinite state of war – and we hate that so many young and idealistic people are having their lives ruined by war that benefits only the most economically powerful.Valerienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-82096837674957686472012-05-27T04:23:28.441-04:002012-05-27T04:23:28.441-04:00I feel compelled to bring up my "patriot tax&...I feel compelled to bring up my "patriot tax" idea again. Slap a dollar or whatever on every gallon of gas and ALL of the revenue it generates goes straight to veterans’ hospitals and veterans benefits. If some tax hating Republican, Libertarian or faux Democrat complains, send them a yellow ribbon magnet for their car.<br /><br />Talk is cheap - let’s see these warmongers put their money where their mouths are and see a little shared sacrifice.<br /><br />The new French president and his cabinet voted themselves a 30% wage decrease. Maybe our patriotic president and our slimy Congress should do the same. It is not like they need the money. They are all multi - millionaires from insider trading. Hey, Nancy! I'm talkin' to you!Cranky in Australianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-73735984328049943782012-05-26T20:52:37.158-04:002012-05-26T20:52:37.158-04:00@ Roger
The writer of this blog--a very brave wom...@ Roger<br /><br />The writer of this blog--a very brave woman, BTW-- is in no way denigrating the war dead. She is simply illustrating how cynical politicians (such as our Prez) attempt to manipulate & mislead us with patriotic blather.<br />Those of us who served in the US military were constantly reminded that we were defending our nation's freedoms. We were so easily lied to....<br /><br />Also, in regard to those who died: they were not all "heroes". Many were, but a good percentage of wartime deaths come from friendly fire, fragging--and let's be honest--fleeing in abject fear. Which I can totally sympathize with.4Runnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02582762546159637023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-5682654860391062972012-05-26T20:32:25.038-04:002012-05-26T20:32:25.038-04:00Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.James F Traynornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-52755605765671047022012-05-26T19:28:40.675-04:002012-05-26T19:28:40.675-04:00Somehow the writer of this blog didn't get aro...Somehow the writer of this blog didn't get around to actually thanking those who gave their life in war, many of whom joined the military out of sincere regard for their country regardless of how misguided that decision was in the eyes of the writer.<br /><br />Has the writer of the blog ever been to an Irish wake? Memorializing the dead is in part a moment to celebrate life. The writer could ratchet down the cynicism and thereby avoid contaminating this solemn day with political rhetoric and prejudging the sincere feelings of those who may agree with the facts he presents but want to commemorate veterans in whatever way they see fit.Rogernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-55063487122920248532012-05-26T18:08:54.045-04:002012-05-26T18:08:54.045-04:00It's all such sad bullshit.It's all such sad bullshit.James F Traynornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-88993707237470616712012-05-26T16:50:58.324-04:002012-05-26T16:50:58.324-04:00Cheap grace is “your president declaring your unco...Cheap grace is “your president declaring your uncomfortable two minutes of quiet reflection to be officially over.”<br /><br />Excellent comment, Karen!<br /><br />Reminds me of Andrew Bacevich’s “Ballpark Liturgy: America’s New Civic Religion - Cheap Grace at Fenway,” on the new civic religion of honoring the troops:<br /><br />“To stand in solidarity with those on whom the burden of service and sacrifice falls is about as far as they will go. Expressions of solidarity affirm that the existing relationship between soldiers and society is consistent with democratic practice. By extension, so, too, is the distribution of prerogatives and responsibilities entailed by that relationship: a few fight, the rest applaud. Put simply, the message that citizens wish to convey to their soldiers is this: although choosing not to be with you, we are still for you (so long as being for you entails nothing on our part). Cheering for the troops, in effect, provides a convenient mechanism for voiding obligation and easing guilty consciences…<br /><br />“The late German theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer had a name for this unearned self-forgiveness and undeserved self-regard. He called it cheap grace. Were he alive today, Bonhoeffer might suggest that a taste for cheap grace, compounded by an appetite for false freedom, is leading Americans down the road to perdition.”<br /><br />http://www.tomdispatch.com/archive/175423/andrew_bacevich_ballpark_liturgy<br /><br />Like Michael Moore commented at the end of Fahrenheit 911, “If we're going to ask our troops to die for us, can we at least make sure they're doing so in service of good rather than in service to politicians lies?”Denis Nevillenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-974773076690597683.post-47376317409545935932012-05-26T16:10:25.762-04:002012-05-26T16:10:25.762-04:00A wonderful column!
The decision that Obama made ...A wonderful column!<br /><br />The decision that Obama made to increase troops to Afghanistan is something I will never forgive him for. He proved that the military mentality was his and even if he had made better choices in other areas, it overshadowed<br />everything else.<br /><br />The continual support of military families by Michelle and Mrs. Biden turns my stomach, especially knowing that most of the burden on families is because their men (or women) are not being given proper help, physically,emotionally and financially, when on the battlefield or when they return if<br />they are lucky. Never mind the lack of media attention to the endless flag draped coffins returning from the battle fields.<br /><br />The hypocrisy of the statements you quoted by our president is unsurprising,but merely a repeat of all the statements about unjust wars by leaders through time.<br />Many troops are unemployed minorities who hope to create a future for themselves and others are totally brainwashed by the lies they are told about the purpose of their war.<br /><br />When I went to Florida from Canada for winters in the past, I joined the local Democratic party in our area and met some Vietnam veterans who told us of their experiences which were beyond belief. They were awakened to the truth by what they saw and were forced to do, and we even had to fight the<br />democratic leaders of our group to get "The Fog of War" shown at a meeting since the democratic group leaders felt it might be too provocative!! As program director they did not permit me to organize a debate about the Middle East since more than the Israeli point of view would be discussed and<br />they were worried that we would alienate our Jewish members.<br /><br />I finally left the group and could see the handwriting on the wall of where the Democratic party was heading.<br /><br />Memorial day always makes me depressed for all the lives lost and wasted. Even WW 2 could have been avoided if the causes had been addressed.<br /><br />Thanks again Karen - you are a true patriot.Pearlnoreply@blogger.com